Everlasting contempt means disgust not torment

Everlasting contempt means disgust not torment

Doesn’t Daniel 12:2 say some will face “everlasting contempt”?

“And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Daniel 12:2

This verse is used constantly to prove the Traditional view. However, upon closer examination of the text, it is nowhere to be found. The Hebrew word here for “contempt” is “darone.” It is very important to note that the only other time it is used in all of Tenach (The Hebrew Bible) is in Isaiah 66:24, which was discussed earlier. In Isaiah 66:24, those who have “darone” (“contempt” or “disgust”) are the believers who go out and look upon the dead bodies (not living souls) of those who have been turned into ashes–cremated (2 Peter 2:6, Malachi 4:3).

506163Having everlasting contempt would be similar to us looking at the burned corpse of Adolf Hitler. We will always have contempt or disgust for him. Even in eternity. Isaiah 66:24 and Daniel 12:2 are inextricably linked by the same Hebrew word and that Hebrew word speaks of our contempt for the wicked, not their eternal conscious torment.

There are two emotions here, shame and contempt. It is obvious that the unsaved have the shame emotion. And it is the righteous that have the contempt emotion towards the wicked. Notice that only one of those emotions lasts forever. It is contempt, which proves that we (believers) will live forever and still feel emotion. However, nothing is said about shame being felt forever. Why? Because the wicked will be destroyed in body and soul. (Matthew 10:28).

Evangelical author William West states the same thing in his book The Resurrection and Immortality:

Strong says both contempt (Daniel 12:2) and abhorrence (Isaiah 66:24) are from the same Hebrew word. Strong’s word # 1860, “To repulse, an object of aversion, abhorring, contempt.” Contempt and abhorrence are the way others think about them. It does not say they will forever be conscious or in torture, but that others will forever have shame and contempt for them. It is the contempt that is said to be everlasting, not persons. How does “everlasting contempt” become “everlasting torture”?

(The Resurrection and Immortality, William West, Xulon Press, 2006)

 


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4 Comments

  1. Dajuane
    Jan 26, 2016

    So then why does the bible say “fear not man who can harm the body” but fear God who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Sheol)” so if this is true that would mean that Hell/Sheol is a place of destruction? correct?

    • Dirk Waren
      Jan 31, 2016

      The New Testament plainly declares that “There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One (God) who is able to save and to destroy” (James 4:12). Human beings have the power to kill other people, but they can only harm the body whereas the Almighty Creator has the authority and power to destroy in the absolute sense at the White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15 & 2 Peter 3:7). The reason God will ultimate “destroy” unrepentant people is because He’s just and “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23), but of course He “doesn’t want anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). The gospel is “good news” because it’s all about Christ destroying death and bringing life and immortality to light for all those who turn to God in repentance and faith (2 Timothy 1:10 & Acts 20:21). The gospel is all about escaping the death sentence of sin, reconciling with the Creator and obtaining eternal life (John 3:16,36).

  2. irene
    Nov 10, 2015

    Without a doubt the human soul is immortal. This is clearly seen in many Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments: Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2 says, “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.” Similarly, Jesus Himself said that the wicked “will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46). With the same Greek word used to refer to both “punishment” and “life,” it is clear that both the wicked and the righteous have an eternal/immortal soul.

    The unmistakable teaching of the Bible is that all people, whether they are saved or lost, will exist eternally, in either heaven or hell. True life or spiritual life does not cease when our fleshly bodies pass away in death. Our souls will live forever, either in the presence of God in heaven if we are saved, or in punishment in hell if we reject God’s gift of salvation. In fact, the promise of the Bible is that not only will our souls live forever, but also that our bodies will be resurrected. This hope of a bodily resurrection is at the very heart of the Christian faith (1 Corinthians 15:12-19).

    While all souls are immortal, it is important to remember that we are not eternal in the same way that God is. God is the only truly eternal being in that He alone is without a beginning or end. God has always existed and will always continue to exist. All other sentient creatures, whether they are human or angelic, are finite in that they had a beginning. While our souls will live forever once we come into being, the Bible does not support the concept that our souls have always existed. Our souls are immortal, as that is how God created them, but they did have a beginning; there was a time they did not exist.

    • Dirk Waren
      Nov 11, 2015

      Thanks for your sincere feedback.

      I encourage you to research this website in more detail as we thoroughly cover all the points you mention. For instance:

      Without a doubt the human soul is immortal.

      Actually only those who are born-again of the imperishable seed of Christ attain immortality (1 Peter 1:23). The Bible teaches that God alone has immortality (1 Timothy 6:16) and that he offers immortality to people only through the gospel: “… Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel” (2 Timothy 1:10).

      Daniel 12:2 says, “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.”

      The passage itself says that only some will awake to everlasting life, which means the others won’t receive everlasting life. The text is fully addressed here.

      Jesus Himself said that the wicked “will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46).

      Again, the text itself plainly says that only the righteous will receive eternal life.

      With the same Greek word used to refer to both “punishment” and “life,” it is clear that both the wicked and the righteous have an eternal/immortal soul.

      Jesus said “eternal punishment” and not “eternal punishing.” There’s a difference. Furthermore, The word “punishment” is translated from the Greek word kolasis (KOL-as-is) which refers to a “penal infliction” and thus a judicial sentence. Jesus does not say here what exactly the penal infliction will be, only that it will take place in the lake of fire (“the eternal fire”) and that the infliction will last forever (that is, take place in the age to come, which lasts forever). Since Jesus doesn’t specify here what exactly the penal sentence is, we must therefore turn to the rest of Scripture for answers. “Scripture interprets Scripture” is an interpretational rule. And we know elsewhere in Scripture that Jesus plainly said God would “destroy both soul and body” in the lake of fire (Matthew 10:28) and Paul taught that the ungodly would suffer “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9). Thus the Bible is quite clear that the eternal punishment or penal sentence that the unrighteous will be condemned to in the lake of fire is everlasting destruction of soul and bodydestruction of the whole person which lasts forever — not eternal punishing.

      You can read more about this here.

      Our souls will live forever, either in the presence of God in heaven if we are saved, or in punishment in hell if we reject God’s gift of salvation.

      You convey error on both counts. While the believer’s soul goes to heaven during the intermediate state between physical death and bodily resurrection, our eternity consists of way more than you suggest (i.e. going to heaven to be in the Lord’s presence). The Bible encourages us to “look forward to the new heaven and new earth, the home of righteousness” (2 Peter 3:13), which is where we’ll spend eternity. You can read more about the nature of eternal life here and in greater detail here.

      As far as unbelievers go, they don’t even possess immortality or eternal life, which — again — are only available through the gospel (2 Timothy 1:10). When they’re resurrected on the Day of Judgment they’ll be destroyed in the lake of fire as they suffer the “second death,” not exist forever & ever in a state of fiery conscious torture (Revelation 20:11-15 & Matthew 10:28). For more details I encourage you to read Hell Know; you can start with the first chapter here.

      Our souls are immortal, as that is how God created them

      It’s true that Adam & Eve were created with the gift of immortality, but God warned them that if they sinned they would “surely die” (Genesis 2:16-17). So they indeed possessed immortality, but it was conditional to their obedience. When they eventually sinned they lost their immortality and immediately started aging. The LORD then to Himself: “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” God thus banished Adam & Eve from the Garden of Eden and was sure to guard the way to the tree of life (Genesis 3:22-24). The LORD would have to redeem humankind before allowing us to eat “from the tree of life and live forever.” That’s what the gospel of Christ is all about. And this explains Jesus’ statement in Revelation 2:7, “To him who overcomes I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.” Notice clearly that only those who are born of God and overcome the world by faith (see 1 John 5:4) have the right to eat of the tree of life and live forever.

      For more Scriptural details please read this chapter of Hell Know.

      I encourage more honest and thorough research on the topic.

      God Bless You as You Seek & Serve.

      Your Servant,

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