You may have noticed in HELL KNOW that I regularly refer to the view of eternal torment as eternal torture. Both references obviously apply to the same position — that of never-ending conscious suffering.
Norman Geisler, a staunch adherent of eternal torment, objects to this practice of using torment and torture interchangeably. His contention is that hell, the lake of fire, is indeed a place of torment, but it is not a torture chamber for “unlike torture, which is inflicted from without against one’s will, torment is self-inflicted” (Geisler 34, from Everything You Wanted to Know about Hell). This is utter nonsense and completely unbiblical.
I have no idea where Mr. Geisler got this definition for torment (that it is always self-inflicted), but it certainly wasn’t from the Bible. For example, Revelation 11:10 mentions how two prophets “tormented those who live on the earth.” The torment spoken of here is not self-inflicted at all; it comes from an outside source. Also, consider the fact that the King James Version and the New International Version both use “torment” and “torture” interchangeably. See for yourself by simply looking up these texts in both versions: Matthew 8:29, Mark 5:7 and Revelation 9:5.
Obviously Geisler has a problem with the word “torture” being used to describe his belief in the never-ending conscious misery of unredeemed people. The reason I use the word “torture” to describe this belief is to expose it for what it really is. Let’s be truthful and candid enough to call a spade a spade!
Consider this simple illustration: If I took a man, tied him to a chair, and tormented him for five minutes with a lighter, would this not be a form of torture? Of course it would. Subjecting a person to torment is torture. How much more so the prospect of subjecting a person to everlasting fiery conscious torment?
But Mr. Geisler argues that eternal torment in the lake of fire is self-inflicted, living with the consequences of one’s bad choices, therefore it’s not torture. This argument is more unbiblical mumbo jumbo. In Chapter One we firmly established from Scripture that God Himself is going to forever destroy people who choose sin and reject his gift of salvation. Regardless of what “destroy” really means — whether literal destruction or eternal torment — the fact is that it is God Himself who is doing the destroying (or authorizing the destroying). Therefore everlasting destruction is not self-inflicted at all; it is executed by God himself as the just consequences for a person’s bad choices (Matthew 10:28, 2 Thessalonians 1:9 & James 4:12).
This is actually a merciful action on God’s part. How so? If a person unrepentently rebels against God and makes himself or herself miserable through sin (usually spreading misery to others as well), the kindest, most merciful thing God could do is to let such a person die, which is the “wages of sin” (Romans 6:23). Then this stubborn, foolish person would be unable to bring further misery to his/her self or others.
Why does Mr. Geisler have such a problem with the word “torture” as a descriptive term for his belief in never-ending conscious torment? What has compelled him to create his own personal and unbiblical definition for “torment” (that it is only self-inflicted)? The answer to both questions is obvious and offers proof that the idea of eternal torment is indeed a profoundly disturbing concept which naturally offends our God-given moral and judicial instincts: The only way Geisler and like-minded people can accept this idea and live with themselves is by convincing themselves that their good, loving God is not the one carrying out or authorizing this sadistic sentence.
This article was edited from Chapter Six of HELL KNOW.
It is even easier to understand torture and torment when you read that immortality is to “Him alone” I Tim 6:16. It means that human spirits, angels, souls, worlds, all are sustained by God’s providence to keep functioning. Indeed, if God withdrew his hand, all would vanish. God gives our spirits immortality because we do not have it, unlike the Greek Myth that we appropriated.
If God sustains our immortality in the lake of fire, it is God directly preventing our destruction, keeping us alive in the pain.
The best way to torture a terminally sick animal is to not euthanize it.
Thanks for the insights. Most of what you say is biblical except one point. Let me explain:
The lake of fire is what Christ called “the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). The Bible reveals that angelic beings possess intrinsic immortality (Luke 20:34-36) and the lake of fire was prepared for fallen angels as their eternal habitation. Human beings, by contrast, do not possess immortality apart from Christ. This is clear in the Scriptures as shown in 2 Timothy 1:10 and Romans 2:7.
This truth can be plainly observed in God’s statement after Adam fell into sin: “He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, AND LIVE FOREVER” (Genesis 3:22-24). In other words, the LORD had to banish Adam & Eve from the Garden of Eden so they would not eat of the tree of life and live forever in their fallen state, like the devil & his angels. Only the redeemed in Christ will be allowed to partake of the tree of life and live forever (Revelation 2:7 & 22:14). Thus, from that point on (the fall & banishment of Adam & Eve), God’s purpose was to provide redemption for fallen humanity in order that they might be reconciled to their Creator and obtain eternal life. That’s what the gospel of Christ is all about (John 3:16,36).
Those fools who refuse reconciliation through Christ will be discarded in the lake of fire — God’s garbage dump — and destroyed, soul and body (Matthew 10:28, Hebrews 10:26-27 & Luke 19:27). Why? Because “the wages of sin is DEATH, but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).
For important details on this topic see this chapter of HELL KNOW.
If repentant human beings are redeemable why aren’t the devil & his filthy spirits redeemable? This article explains.