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  1. OK, wow, I read both sides and wow! I am a believer saved by Gods grace but running into the topic of hell & torment forever…

    Also the bible says if ya don’t believe you’re gonna receive wrath for eternity.

    What about my baby granddaughter who was here for 20 minutes?

    She’s in hell suffering because she didn’t believe?

    There are many questions I have about the God that loves us dearly.

    I think in the ages to come God’s got a plan and its not what Augustine says it is.

    I just cant find it in the bible.

    • Dirk Waren

      Hi Robert.

      Thanks for the interest and comments. To address your points…

      the bible says if ya don’t believe you’re gonna receive wrath for eternity

      God’s wrath is the just divine response to sin and the wages of sin is death, not eternal life in roasting torment (Romans 6:23, Matthew 10:28 & Hebrews 10:26-27).

      What about my baby granddaughter who was here for 20 minutes? She’s in hell suffering because she didn’t believe?

      These questions presume two things: (1) That Sheol/Hades — where the dead souls of the unredeemed are kept until their resurrection on Judgment Day — is a place or condition of constant fiery torment; and (2) That children or kids who haven’t reached the “age of accountability” immediately go to Sheol when they did.

      The first point is answered on this very site with the web-book SHEOL KNOW (that link provides access to all the chapters). I recommend starting with this chapter, which begins the scriptural study on the nature of Sheol/Hades (wherein you can see for yourself what the Bible actually says on the topic).

      As to whether your granddaughter went to Sheol or not after only living 20 minutes, it depends on what the Bible teaches on the age of accountability. While we have a section about this in this chapter of HELL KNOW, you can read a more focused study here.

      There are many questions I have about the God that loves us dearly… I just cant find it in the bible.

      The answers are in the Bible — God’s Word to humanity — and that’s what this site is all about.

      For a shorter, compelling study on the nature of human damnation see D. Barry’s book Conditional Immortality.

      For a more detailed study see HELL KNOW.

      To understand the nature of Sheol/Hades — which is a separate topic from damnation in the Lake of Fire — see SHEOL KNOW.

      God Bless You in Your Studies, Brother.

  2. Samual Yoder

    The traditional stance never made sense to me if one reads those verses as stated. Death is death, perish is perish, destroy is destroy, kill is kill, etc. When the traditionalists change the meaning of these words then the words in scripture really have no meaning as such, one can make the words mean whatever they want. However, if you take those words at face value and state so to a traditionalist you’ll get a lot of flack, hassle, maybe even be called a heretic.
    I hold as the annihilationist, but will let the traditionalists believe whatever they want to keep peace since it is not a salvation issue. Maybe that is wrong of me, but I hate arguing.

  3. Michael Bunnell

    It is impossible for a consuming fire to last forever because sooner or later it will consume everything and then have nothing more to consume.

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