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  1. Todd

    Maybe the definition of life is just as important as the definition of death. If true, eternal life is not so much defined by duration but by God himself, then death is the absence of this divine life. Not all who believe in a literal, eternal hell believe it is a “fiery” torment. Rather the torment is that of desire eternally unfulfilled. It is the eternal growth of anger, hatred and bitterness toward God. Just as the believer will experience an eternal growth of joy and love toward God.

    • Dirk Waren

      Hi Todd.

      Thanks for the comment.

      Your points are addressed at length in other parts of HELL KNOW, which I encourage you to breeze through for details.

      As this section of Chapter Four shows, “life” is the Greek word zoe, which James Strong simply translates as “life” and, W.E. Vine points out, refers to the life of animals as well (the Hebrew equivalent, chay, for instance refers to the life of animals in the Bible, e.g. Genesis 6:17 & 7:15). Paul plainly proclaimed that God “gives all people life (zoe)” (Acts 17:25). So even unbelievers have zoe, albeit temporal zoe. Eternal life is only obtained through the gospel, which is why it’s good news (2 Timothy 1:10).

      The word ‘eternal’ in the phrase “eternal life” is aionios (ay-OH-nee-us) which means “perpetual” or, more literally, “age-lasting.” The latter is understandable since aionios is derived from the parent noun aion (aay-OHN) meaning “an age.” So eternal life in the Bible means age-lasting life, referring to the age-to-come (Revelation 21:1-4), which is perpetual, so translators render it “eternal life.”

      Not all who believe in a literal, eternal hell believe it is a “fiery” torment. Rather the torment is that of desire eternally unfulfilled. It is the eternal growth of anger, hatred and bitterness toward God. Just as the believer will experience an eternal growth of joy and love toward God.

      People believe all sorts of things. What matters is what the truth is; that is, reality (John 8:31-32). What you are advocating here is basically a watered down version of eternal torment, which doesn’t match the biblical descriptions of incorrigible people suffering “everlasting destruction” as they are “consumed by raging fire” (2 Thessalonians 1:9, Matthew 10:28 & Hebrews 10:26-27,31,39). Christ likened damned souls to “weeds” that “are pulled up and burned in the fire” and added “so it will be at the end of the age” (Matthew 13:40). What happens to weeds that are pulled up and thrown into fire? They burn for a bit, but ultimately burn up. “So it will be at the end of the age.” What about Christ’s crystal clear example from Luke 19:27? The idea of incorrigible people existing forever tormented by “desire eternally unfulfilled” doesn’t fit.

      For more details on the basic argument you presented see this section of Chapter Six and the following two sections (here and here).

      God Bless You in your studies, Brother! 🙂

  2. Grace Receiver

    Thank you, sir.
    I am wondering if anyone else besides Amazon carries your books? I am unable to make purchases from amazon.com, and on amazon.ca your book costs about $60.00. (I’m sure it’s worth that and more, but it’s a little out of my price range!)

    • Dirk Waren

      I’ll have to see why it’s only available through sellers on Amazon.ca (which explains the high price). You probably noticed that in the US it’s available for about $10, not including shipping/handling (which equals to $13 Canadian). At any rate, you can order it straight through my ministry via check/money order or PayPal. The cost for Canadian currency would be $20 ($13 for the book and $7 shipping) or $15 altogether in USA dollars.

      If by check or money order send to:

      Fountain of Life
      PO Box 737
      Vienna, OH 44473

      If by PayPay go here: http://fountainoflifetm.com/support-us/

    • Dirk Waren

      I just found out today that Hell Know will be available on Amazon.ca in the next 30 days (from this writing) for a price comparable to the USA (approximately $13 in Canadian currency).

    • Dirk Waren

      Actually I never heard that particular passage brought up to support the idea of death meaning separation, although I can see why it would be (sort of). It speaks of Rachel’s soul departing (and obviously going to Sheol/Hades) because she died. This issue is covered in detail in Sheol Know. I recommend the published version. The abridged online version is available here.

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