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  1. Ron Grimes

    Really well done article, and subsequent comments by Andy Rodriguez, with rational exegesis. It’s good to find a fellow fan of Edward Fudge’s writings.

    May I also recommend William Hendriksen’s “More than Conquerors”, if you want a very well done presentation of the entire book of Revelation from the view of progressive parallelism. He totally demystifies a book that baffles so many.

  2. J Bollinger

    I totally disagree with the concept of Limited/Conditional Immortality. Several reasons: 1. We are all born as “eternal Creatures”. 2. The word “death” in Scripture on numerous occasions, the word does not mean physical death only. It also refers to “separation from God”. We see this in Adam’s condition after the Garden incident. He didn’t die immediately but he was separated from God ( Until God clothed him with the sacrificial Skins of an innocent animal) and then he died several hundred years later. The Jehovah Witness are strong proponents of Annihilationism (Thou Shalt not surely die). Death in this sense surmounts just physical death. It speaks of eternal separation from God which would be senseless if they could not experience the conditions that exist when placed outside of God’s righteous domain. I know that I haven’t given any verses for support but likewise the verses that you use to support limited or condional immortality can be understood to mean either physical or spiritual death.

    • Dirk Waren

      Hi J.

      Thanks for the feedback.

      Every one of your points is addressed in detail in HELL KNOW, including your objection in regards to the Jehovah’s False Witnesses. (Just so there’s no confusion, we’re thoroughly Evangelical in nature, albeit non-sectarian).

      I encourage you to start with the first chapter here and peruse through all the chapters at your convenience.

      God Bless You! 🙂

    • Poppy

      The bible states in 2 Peter 3:8 NIV “But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” Adam died being less than a 1000 years old so to God he died that day. This has nothing to do with a physical separation death because no one can see God but he is there and hears us when we call so we are not really seaparte from him.

    • Blessings my brother! I regret that you are overlooking the clear biblical teaching that no one is born with Immortality. Souls are not eternal

      Genesis 3:22
      And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must NOT BE ALLOWED TO reach out his hand and take also from the TREE OF LIFE and eat, and LIVE FOREVER.”

      1 Tim 6:15-16
      “He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who ALONE POSSESSES IMMORTALITY …”

      Immortality is only given to those who trust in Christ. Please re-read John 3:16

      Blessings!

  3. Grace Receiver

    I am very interested in this “specific group” in Revelation 14. Their punishment seems to be more severe, appropriately so, than the rest of unredeeemed sinners. Is there any support for the idea that these people could have something in common with the beast and the false prophet, who were obviously human, but had demons in them? Does taking that mark, whatever it may be, make a person “like the angels” that never die?

    • Dirk Waren

      I didn’t write this particular article. Whereas this “specific group’s” punishment is more severe than the average unredeemed person there’s no evidence that they will attain immortality and suffer roasting torment forever and ever. See the detailed section on this passage (Revelation 14:9-11) in Chapter Five of HELL KNOW, just scroll down to the section “The Smoke of their Torment Rises Forever”.

      For details on suffering being meted out as divine justice dictates, see this chapter and scroll down to the fifth section.

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