The Rich Man and Lazarus

The Rich Man and Lazarus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let’s now look at the sole reason why Christians have traditionally believed that Sheol is a state of conscious existence where bad people suffer constant fiery torment hoping for a tiny bit of water for relief and Old Testament saints are comforted in paradise at Abraham’s side. I’m, of course, referring to Jesus’ story of the rich man and Lazarus:

 LUKE 16:19-31

“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”

 

The first thing that needs to be stressed about this story is that, whether a person takes it literally or figuratively, it does not refer to the eternal fate of damned people; that is, the “second death.” In the story, the rich man and beggar are said to be in Hades, which refers to the intermediate state of un-regenerated souls between physical death and resurrection to stand before God and be judged. The Greek Hades corresponds to the Hebrew Sheol, as established in What is Sheol. Once everyone is resurrected from Hades (Sheol) and judged, Hades will itself be thrown into the lake of fire. See for yourself:

The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. 

Revelation 20:13-15 

So regardless of how a reader views this imaginative story, it’s not applicable to the eternal fate of unredeemed people. It amazes me how often this tale is brought up when discussing the topic of eternal damantion with others. Anyone who utilizes this story to support eternal conscious torture hasn’t studied the subject of human damnation to any great length.

With that understanding, let’s now consider Jesus’ story—it’s meaning and importance.

richman-lazarusSomeone wrote me:

“There’s got to be something more to this tale as I’ve found that every time there’s a seeming contradiction in Scripture, a deeper truth is waiting to be discovered.  The story of the rich man and Lazarus bothers me.  If this was a common story of the time, why did it make it into Scripture?  Jesus did so much stuff that didn’t get written down and since God knew this tale would get confused in future generations, why was it included for us to scratch our heads over?  There’s something there.”  

I agree, so we’ll focus on mining insights from Jesus’ story, but—at the same time—we shouldn’t overstate its importance. Unlike the Parable of the Sower, which appears in 3 of the 4 gospel accounts, the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus only appears once. I’m not saying it’s not important, but it’s no more important than, say, the Parable of the Shrewd Manager that also appears only once in Scripture, also in Luke 16, and is of comparative length. How often do we hear anything about that parable? Almost never, right? But everyone seems to know about the tale of the rich man and Lazarus and ask questions about it ad nauseam (don’t take me wrong as the tale naturally provokes important questions; I’m just making a point).

Now, someone might object that I just referred to Jesus’ story as a “parable”—a figurative tale—but be patient because I’m going to prove beyond any shadow of doubt that the story of the rich man and Lazarus is just that—a symbolic tale that makes many potent points.


 

E.W. Bullinger’s View  

 

Greek scholar E.W. Bullinger maintained that Jesus was using the Pharisees own teachings and own words to convict them. This makes sense for two reasons: 1. The story, if taken literally, blatantly contradicts what the rest of Scripture teaches about Sheol, including the LORD’s own descriptions, as detailed in Chapter Six’ The Longest and Most Detailed Passage on Sheol (read the following section on “progressive revelation” as well). And 2. the Pharisees embraced the unbiblical Hellenistic concept of the immortal soul apart from Christ and, consequently, eternal roasting of damned souls. As such, Jesus’ parabolic tale mimicked their beliefs with the twofold purpose of rebuking them and conveying one of the most important themes of the Bible, both of which we’ll extract from the story in this chapter.

You can read Bullinger’s take on the story here. I should warn you though that he has an archaic and convoluted style of writing that’ll likely turn-off most modern readers. Let me also add that I don’t embrace everything Bullinger advocates, but who agrees with anyone about everything? As they say, “Eat the meat and spit out the bones.” 


 

The Living Word of God Would NOT Contradict the Written Word of God

 

Here’s my take on Jesus’ story of the rich man and Lazarus:

Jesus Himself is the living “Word of God,” so he’s not going to contradict the written Word of God. This is another key that the story is not to be taken literally. After all, anyone—regardless of sectarian mindset—who simply does an honest, systematic study on Sheol in the Bible will admit that a literal reading of Jesus’ tale contradicts what the entire rest of the Bible teaches about Sheol. As the previous seven chapters of this study have shown, many of the most important men of God in the Old Testament, and even the LORD Himself, describe Sheol as the world of the DEAD where souls ‘sleep’ in death until their resurrection & judgment (and by ‘sleep’ I don’t mean literal snoozing, but rather the condition of death itself—i.e. non-existence as far as conscious life goes; please read the previous seven chapters before automatically assuming that this is erroneous; if you haven’t, you can start here). No one’s roasting in conscious torture crying out for tiny bit of water; and neither are (or were) Old Testament saints chummin’ around with father Abraham in paradise. Jesus said the TRUTH will set us free, which is God’s Word (John 8:31-32 & 17:17). By contrast, that which is false cannot set us free, because it’s not true

506167With this understanding, God didn’t place the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus in the Bible to “confuse anyone in future generations” because he knew (and knows) that anyone who is diligent and simply studies the subject from Genesis to Revelation will be set free by the truth. Only those who are unwilling to search for the truth or are too proud to admit they might be wrong  and insist on following uninformed leaders will be misled by it (see Matthew 15:14). Most of these are sincere God-fearing brothers and sisters in the Lord who’ve simply been misled about Jesus’ tale and only casually view it as a literal teaching; in other words, they’re simply ignorant on the subject. However, some of their leaders are rigid, unthinking sectarians poisoned by legalism, like the Pharisees. To them Jesus’ story is a stumbling block.

Believe it or not, the LORD and godly characters in the Bible have been known to set out “stumbling blocks” to intentionally discombobulate proud fools, whether legalists or libertines; see, for example, Ezekiel 3:20, Romans 11:9 and Psalm 69:22. I’m not saying there’s no hope for these people. I’m very patient and merciful; in fact, my ministry is all about setting the captives free, including those who are figuratively blind. I want to stress that I’m not suggesting that everyone who regards the story of the rich man and Lazarus as a literal description of life after death is a modern-day Pharisee, not at all. Again, most are simply ignorant on the subject. I wrote Sheol Know for just such people.


 

“Scripture Interprets Scripture” is a Hermeneutical Law

 

I said above that the tale of the rich man and beggar “if taken literally, doesn’t gel with what the rest of Scripture teaches about the nature of Sheol, including God’s own descriptions;” I also said “Jesus Himself is the living ‘Word of God,’ so he’s not going to contradict the written Word of God.” Both statements are rooted in the hermeneutical rule that Scripture interprets Scripture, which is a common sense guideline for proper biblical interpretation. Without this rule people could take any passage in the Bible and declare that it means whatever they say it means, which Peter condemned when he said, “no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20). In other words, the way you interpret a passage is 1. According to its immediate context where the surrounding texts usually indicate the meaning of the passage; and 2. According to the context of the whole of Scripture whereupon you ask: What does the rest of the Bible say about this particular subject? The clearer or more detailed passages obviously take precedence over the more ambiguous and sketchy ones.

Here’s an excellent example of Jesus utilizing this rule when the devil attempted to mislead him by quoting a passage:

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. (6) “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’ ”

(7) Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ”

Matthew 4:5-7

As you can see, the devil—who knows the Bible verbatim—was attempting to use a biblical passage to spur Jesus to do something wrong, but Jesus didn’t fall for it because he followed the principle of interpreting Scripture with Scripture. So He responds, “It is also written…” In other words, the verse the devil quoted must be viewed in light of what other passages say. When a person fails to do this they inevitably get off track and fall into error. The problem with error is that it’s not true; even partial error is not wholly true; and it’s only the truth that can set people free, as the Lord taught (John 8:31-32).

With this understanding, Jesus’ tale of the rich man and beggar is not open to private interpretation because doing so is condemned in the Bible. The parable must be interpreted in light of what the whole of Scripture teaches on the subject of Sheol, as well as the other topics that the tale addresses. This is the approach we’ll take.


 

A Literal Interpretation Doesn’t Mesh with either Old Testament or New Testament Theology  

 

If taken literally the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus does not support either Old Testament or New Testament theology, which is another blatant indication that the tale’s not to be taken literally.  

For instance, notice that nothing is said of the rich man being immoral or evil, nothing. In fact, it’s implied that he gave handouts to the beggar. Also, according to Old Testament theology, the Mosaic covenant Israel had with YHWH (the LORD), being consistently financially blessed indicated God’s blessing—generally speaking—whereas poverty indicated being cursed (see Deuteronomy 28).  

Let’s honestly consider what this story says if we embrace it as a literal accounting of life after death in Sheol. In other words, what does this tale literally say? Please disregard any sectarian bias and what you think it says, just focus on what it actually says:  

1. If one is prosperous, gives to the poor,* respects authority and is concerned about his loved ones, he will go to Sheol at the point of death and suffer constant roasting torment desperately hoping for less than a drop of water for relief, but it won’t be given.

*NOTE: For those who argue that the rich man didn’t give anything to Lazarus, why else would the beggar be laid at his gate (verse 20) if he wasn’t receiving anything from him? It would be pointless.  

2. If one is poverty-stricken, diseased, has no faith to be healed, is not physically blessed of God and has a life of bad things, he will go to the paradise compartment of Sheol to hang out with father Abraham and be perpetually consoled and comforted.  

Let’s face it: This literal data from the story totally butchers Old and New Testament theology concerning eternal salvation. The fact that it’s diametrically opposed to Old Testament theology has already been stated while the latter is obvious: Nowhere in the story does it indicate that Lazarus expressed repentance and faith for salvation (Acts 20:21). Nowhere does Lazarus indicate or imply that “Jesus is Lord” (Romans 10:9-10). If we take the facts of the story as literal history we must conclude that being a diseased bum equals paradisal bliss at Abraham’s side. Is this the case? Does the rest of Scripture back up such a conclusion, such a warped theology? If so, we’re damned and so are 99.9% of the people we know!


 

The Story of the Rich Man and Lazarus is a Parable–a Symbolic Tale  

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This is just further evidence that the story was never meant to be taken as a literal account of the nature of Sheol. It’s symbolic, meaning it’s a parable—a figurative story. This is in line with the generality that Jesus “did not say anything to them without using a parable” (Matthew 13:34) and that Jesus’ story of the rich man and Lazarus comes in a long line of parables: The whole first half of Luke 16 is a parable that starts with the same exact words as Jesus’ tale of the rich man and Lazarus; and Luke 15 consists of three other parables. It simply makes no sense that Jesus would suddenly switch to giving a supposedly historical account that contradicts what the Word of God has plainly established about the nature of Sheol up to this point.

Add to this the fact that the story clearly contains fantastical elements. For instance, the rich man is in literal agony in the fire and so he asks Abraham to have Lazarus dip the tip of his finger in water so he can cool his tongue—not even his hand or finger, the tip of his finger! Like that’s going to help his roasting condition one iota. It’s as if Jesus was getting a megaphone and declaring, “This is a fantastical tale that is not meant to be taken literally!” How much more evidence do people need?

With the understanding that this is a fantastical symbolic story, Jesus knew that unspiritual people would wrongly interpret it as a literal account of the nature of Sheol in centuries to come, just as Nicodemus misinterpreted Jesus’ statement about being born-again to refer to literal physical rebirth (John 3:3-4).  Please understand that Jesus didn’t tell parables to reveal truth to the masses, but rather to hide it for those with spiritual discernment (Matthew 13:10-15 & 1 Corinthians 2:14). As such, the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is a stumbling block to the carnal person—those who are spiritually blind—including religious people with a Pharisaical spirit.


 

The Surface Meaning of the Parable

 

The surface meaning of The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is obvious: Jesus had just finished rebuking the Pharisees’ greed:

LUKE 16:13-15

“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”

The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.

As you can see, the Pharisees worshipped Mammon (money) and therefore scoffed at Jesus’ correction. The Lord’s wise response was to reprimand them further via a classic tale of reversal of fortune. This was possibly Jesus’ unique take on a common story of the time, perhaps a favorite of the Pharisees. In any case, the tale mimics the Pharisees’ Hellenistic belief in the immortal soul apart from Christ with the dual purpose of rebuking them and conveying one of the most important themes of Scripture.

The rich man in the parable obviously represented the Pharisees (and Hebraic leaders in general) whereas Lazarus symbolized the Gentiles. We’ll look at this further in the next section, but allow me to point out the obvious: We live in a world of lies where the devil is the “god of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4) and not everything is as it might appear. In this case the Pharisees claimed to be Abraham’s offspring (John 8:38-44) and prided themselves on being rich in God’s truth—not to mention they were physically rich due to their greedy manipulations—but Jesus’ parable reveals them be greatly impoverished in reality and that it is the Gentile beggar who’s actually Abraham’s “bosom” buddy, not the Pharisees.

Needless to say, if the Pharisees sneered with contempt before Jesus gave the parable they were absolutely livid now!

Jesus’ punchline in verse 31 is that, if the Pharisees did not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead. Jesus was potently proclaiming two things by this statement:

1. Although the Pharisees claimed to strictly follow the Torah—God’s Law—they really didn’t. The reference to “Moses” is a reference to the Law; and “the Prophets” refers to all the prophets who rebuked Judah & Israel’s wickedness in times past and were rejected. In other words, Jesus was saying that the Pharisees and other religious leaders of Israel were not who they claimed to be—devout men of God who strictly followed the Law. No, they were hypocrites, which literally means actors. In fact, Jesus blatantly told them this to their faces on other occasions, as shown in Luke 11:37-54 and Matthew 23:13-35. In short, the Pharisees were fakes.

2. Since the Pharisees and other Judaic leaders weren’t really listening to Moses and the Prophets—even though they put on airs that they did—they wouldn’t likely believe even if someone rose from the dead, which is not only a reference to Jesus’ later resurrection, but also to Martha & Mary’s brother, Lazarus, whom Jesus raised from the dead, as seen in John 11:1-44. This is one of the reasons Jesus utilized the name ‘Lazarus’ for his parable. You see, many people believed in Jesus because of Lazarus’ resurrection, but not the proud, stubborn religious leaders of Israel; in fact, they proceeded to plot to kill Lazarus—as well as Jesus—because so many people believed on account of Lazarus’ awesome resurrection (John 12:9-11). Unbelievable, isn’t it? This shows why Jesus shared the parable in an effort to rebuke these disingenuous religious authorities. As far as them not having faith even after Jesus later rose from the dead, this is precisely how history panned out: When Jesus was resurrected, the Pharisees and other stuffy Judaic rulers refused to believe it and hence tried to stamp out those who did believe in Christ and his resurrection. The few Pharisees who humbly repented were the exception, like Nicodemus and Saul, who became Paul.

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Now, notice the key words in Jesus’ punchline in verse 31: The Pharisees and other hypocritical Judaic rulers wouldn’t believe even when the Lord rose from the dead. You see, Jesus died and his soul went to Sheol (Hades) when he was crucified. In other words, Jesus himself described the condition he was soon going to experience in explicit terms of being dead. If Jesus’ story of the rich man and Lazarus was a literal account of life after death and not a fantastical tale Jesus would have said something like, “If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from blissful communion with father Abraham in the paradise compartment of Hades.” Sounds absurd, doesn’t it? Yet this would be what Jesus really meant if his story of the rich man and Lazarus is taken literally rather than symbolically. Of course, Jesus said nothing of the kind. He indirectly declared that he was going to rise from the dead, which perfectly coincides with the Bible’s clear descriptions of Sheol/Hades as “the world of the dead,” as scholar James Strong defined it, or “the company of the dead,” as Proverbs 21:16 defines it, or “the realm of the dead,” as the New International Version translates it on a number of occasions (e.g. Isaiah 14:9,15, Ezekiel 31:15,17 and 32:21,27; the verses from Ezekiel, incidentally, are the LORD Himself speaking)

Of course, there are some ministers who teach that Jesus didn’t go to be with Abraham in Sheol; instead they maintain that he was tormented in fire for three days & three nights, like the rich man in the story. If this were so, Jesus’ punchline would’ve been something akin to this: “If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from three days & nights of fiery torment in Hades.” Whether a person holds to this interpretation or the other one it doesn’t matter because Jesus said nothing of the kind. He plainly said that he was going to rise from the dead, not rise from comforts in paradise with Abraham or rise from horrible roasting agony. Neither belief washes with the Scriptures because they’re false doctrines based on an erroneous interpretation of a tale Jesus told that is clearly parabolic and fantastical in nature, not literal.

Getting back to the reason Jesus used the name ‘Lazarus’ in his parable, we observed one notable reason above and we’ll see another below, but Jesus didn’t give a name for the rich man in his story. Why? Because the rich man is not a real person but rather is symbolic of group of people, which we’ll look at momentarily. This shatters the argument that Jesus’ story is a historical account on the grounds that he uses the proper name of ‘Lazarus,’ which Jesus didn’t do in any of his other parables. Bear in mind, however, that the rich man is the sole character in proving the conscious roasting of the damned in Sheol and yet he’s not given a name!

Chew on that. 


 

Interpreting the Symbolism – The Bigger Picture

 

With the understanding that Jesus’ tale of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable, how are we to interpret it? Believe it or not, the symbolism of the parable is obvious for anyone who’s adequately familiar with the Scriptures and isn’t blinded by religious sectarian mumbo jumbo:

The rich man represents the Pharisees or Judaic rulers—and the Hebrews in general—who had the Truth and who were therefore spiritually rich. His purple linen represents the priesthood (Exodus 39:1) and the abundant food on his table represents the blessings of truth and the oracles of God that were entrusted to the Israelites (Romans 3:1-2). The beggar at the gates refers to the gentiles who didn’t have a covenant with YHWH and were therefore spiritually poor (Ephesians 2:11-12). Lazarus in the story wanted even crumbs that fell from the table of the rich man, which corresponds to the Syro-Phoenician woman who begged Jesus to heal her daughter of the evil spirit in Mark 7:24-30. To further support this, dogs lick Lazarus’ sores in the story and Hebrews contemptuously called gentiles “dogs.”  

Another indication is Lazarus’ name, which means “One in whom God helps or saves.” In the New Testament, who is God’s salvation focused on? Paul said, “because of [Israel’s] transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles” (Romans 11:11). He goes on to point out: “But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring?” (verse 12).

In the Bible, the Word of God is likened to spiritual food and compared to bread (Matthew 4:4 & Deuteronomy 8:3). In verses 20-21 we see Lazarus being laid at the rich man’s gate and hoping for crumbs from his table. This was the way it was for Gentiles during the Old Testament period: The Israelites were blessed with the Word of God—spiritual bread—while Gentiles rarely heard God’s word and essentially settled for “crumbs” from the Israelite’s table, which perfectly coincides with the Gentile woman’s response to Jesus in Matthew 15:27 when he told her that it wouldn’t be right to take the children’s bread—the Israelite’s bread—and toss it to “dogs,” i.e. the Gentiles. Her response was brilliant and showed great faith & persistence: “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table” (NRSV).    

In short, the rich man and poor man refer to spiritual riches and spiritual poverty. If you have a covenant with God you’re spiritually rich; if not, you’re poor, no matter how much material wealth you might possess. The rich man refers to the Hebrews who had a covenant with God, which is verified by the statement concerning his brothers having “Moses and the Prophets” (verse 29) while Lazarus is figurative of the Gentiles who through faith in Christ become “Abraham’s offspring” (Galatians 3:29), spiritually born of Abraham’s “bosom.” Lazarus being carried into Abraham’s bosom* symbolizes the “grafting in” of believing Gentiles to a place once possessed by Israel (Romans 11:11-24).

*NOTE: The King James Version and the New American Standard Bible, which are both literal word-for-word translations, say that Lazarus was “In” Abraham’s “bosom” in verse 23.  

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Death for the rich man represents the end of their covenant with God (Hebrews 8:13 & Romans 11:15, 21) while death for Lazarus represents a believer’s death to the old nature when they’re spiritually regenerated through Christ (Galatians 2:20 & Titus 3:5) and the beginning of their new covenant with the Almighty. Think of it this way: The rich man was blessed and Lazarus was impoverished at the beginning of the parable, but these conditions are reversed when they die. Their deaths represent the end of the old covenant and the beginning of the new: Now the Gentiles have spiritual riches through the gospel while the Hebrews languish in unbelief. This was prophesied by Amos:

 

AMOS 8:11-12

“The days are coming,” declares the Sovereign Lord,

“when I will send a famine through the land —

not a famine of food or a thirst for water,

but a famine of hearing the words of the Lord.

(12) People will stagger from sea to sea

and wander from north to east,

searching for the word of the Lord,

but they will not find it.”

The rich man’s torment likely refers to the humbling torment of seeing God’s favor—His grace—shift to all the world who genuinely believe (Matthew 21:43), and possibly to the Jews’ extraordinary persecution and trouble throughout the last 2000 years.

Finally, if there was any question as to whom the Lord was referring to by the rich man, the parable reveals that he had five brothers. The significance of this is that Jesus shared this parable in Jerusalem, which was part of the southern kingdom of Israel, Judah. Genesis 35:23 shows that Judah—the person—had five brothers just as the rich man in the story. So the Lord was condemning the southern kingdom of Israel whose capital, Jerusalem, he described as “the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her” (Luke 13:34), the same city where Jesus—The Prophet (Deuteronomy 18:15)—was soon to be put to death. Through the parable Jesus rebukes the Judaic leaders for not genuinely following the law and the prophets (Luke 16:31) because they, in fact, pointed to Christ (John 5:39). Remember Jesus’ indictment of the counterfeit religious leaders:

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. (30) And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ (31) So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. (32) Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

(33) “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell (Gehenna)?

Matthew 23:29-33 

As you can see, Jesus’ parable potently symbolizes the main theme of the New Testament. It’s a prophecy of the rejection of unrepentant Israel and the coming Church Age where reconciliation with God and eternal life are made available to the whole world. Amazing, isn’t it? It’s true!

The woman who wrote me about the rich man and Lazarus asked why this story was included in God’s Word; she insisted that there was “something there.” There certainly is—the most important theme of Holy Scripture! 

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9 Comments

  1. Louis Tonetti
    Mar 16, 2017

    Someone referenced your teaching on the Rich Man and Lazarus and I read what you set forth. For what it’s worth, I agree with you 99%. Pretty good, since you point out no one agrees with anyone 100%.

    According to the principle of divine interchange, I believe Sheol=Hades=the state of death. I also do not believe in eternal conscious torment.

    The whole point of the Rich Man and Lazarus was to ridicule the teachings of the Pharisees. In other words, this story is not a parable, but a biting satire.

    The Pharisees taught that the poor were in disfavor with God, and the rich were favored of God. To help the poor would therefore be going against the will of God.

    There was a great gulf fixed between the two classes and no one could cross over from the bad side and of course no one wanted to cross over from the good side.

    Jesus did not condemn the Rich Man, nor did He praise Lazarus, whom I don’t see as a righteous person.

    I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. (Ps. 37:25 KJV)

    As you point out, this is a symbolic tale that makes many potent points; but, in the form of an exquisite satire, which is holding something up to ridicule. Yes, Jesus mimicked their beliefs to rebuke them. Considering the context, the setting and the audience, this is truly remarkable.

    It hit the mark precisely. He lashed them with their own words as with whips of scorpions tales, and they seethed with rage against Him.

    • Dirk Waren
      Mar 16, 2017

      Thanks for the insightful feedback, Louis.

      The whole point of the Rich Man and Lazarus was to ridicule the teachings of the Pharisees. In other words, this story is not a parable, but a biting satire.

      It’s an excellent point and well stated, but a parable is simply a brief story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson and a biting satire is a story. So I agree with you. The article points out that “Jesus was using the Pharisees own teachings and own words to convict them… Jesus’ parabolic tale mimicked their beliefs with the twofold purpose of rebuking them and conveying one of the most important themes of the Bible.”

      I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. (Ps. 37:25 KJV)

      It’s a good point and this verse is true, but — at the same time — we need to be careful to not negatively judge a brother or sister who’s going through a trial and suffering lack for a spell, like Paul (Philippians 4:11-13) and, of course, Job. The latter was praised by the LORD Himself as the most righteous person on the face of the earth (Job 1:8 & 2:3) and yet he lost practically all his wealth during his extended God-permitted trial, which lasted months (Job 19:20) until the LORD restored him and doubly blessed him (1 Peter 5:10). To negatively judge either Paul or Job when they were suffering lack would be akin to being Job’s ignorant friends. Not that you said anything wrong — so please don’t take what I’m saying that way — I’m just offering additional scriptural details in the name of balance for anyone who might read these words.

      God Bless You, Brother! 🙂

  2. Ryan Nicholson
    Jul 26, 2016

    Thank you for this truth. I seek truth and wonder how learned pastors could be so wrong on this topic. Do they not have the spirit of truth in them? I love them, as all have fallen short, but think they are wrong about eternal suffering. What is your understanding of different levels of punishment? Do you believe the severely wicked will perish or will they pay their debt – then perish, for example? I currently believe in a judgment, a punishment applicable to the debt, then eternal destruction. Thoughts.

    • Dirk Waren
      Jul 26, 2016

      Thanks for the feedback, Ryan.

      I seek truth and wonder how learned pastors could be so wrong on this topic. Do they not have the spirit of truth in them?

      I’m sure most of them are genuine believers who sincerely love & serve the LORD. The problem is ignorance usually due to superficial studies and the bias of sectarianism. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, but the Spirit cannot help someone see the truth if they choose to be lazy in their biblical studies or blinded by the “yes man” mentality of sectarianism. These and other reasons are covered here.

      What is your understanding of different levels of punishment? Do you believe the severely wicked will perish or will they pay their debt – then perish, for example? I currently believe in a judgment, a punishment applicable to the debt, then eternal destruction.

      The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) and there is some amount of suffering in any death, even if it’s just a split second. As our substitutionary death, Jesus died in our place and therefore suffered the wages of sin for us. Needless to say, the last hours & minutes of his life on earth involved great suffering.

      Literal everlasting destruction allows for all the conscious pain that divine justice might require for any sinner to suffer according to his or her personal degree of guilt. You can read more here.

      • Ryan Nicholson
        Jul 27, 2016

        Thank you very much Mr. Warren! I was listening to my favorite Bible teacher online, out of the Calvary Church family, and he stated that we all live forever, just some of us apart from God. I was shaken, almost literally. It went against my idea of God’s nature.

        I come from a family and friend group of non-believers and I worry about their fates. Here was a man who teaches me insights I have not been able to glean on my own telling me something that absolutely did not resonate with me. I prayed with more passion than almost ever for the answer. I immediately found your site. You have helped me understand this perfectly!

        One question that remains: Is it possible that there is a punishment apart from a time lapse related relegation to the Lake of Fire during the Eternal Destruction? We see in Revelation 3:9 that those of the synagogue will be forced to worship at our feet. Thoughts.

        Thanking the Holy Spirit for guiding me to your teaching. God bless.

        • Dirk Waren
          Jul 27, 2016

          Revelation 3:9 says this:

          I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liarsI will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

          I wouldn’t call this “worship,” more like just being humbled in the presence of their enemies — the Philadelphian believers — forced to acknowledge that these believers are genuine while they are counterfeits. No doubt this will take place on the Day of Judgment when they stand before God for judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). Although these Jews were Hebrews physically they were not true Jews, but rather spiritual pagans (cf. Romans 2:28) who allied with other pagans in putting believers to death as they tried to snuff out Christianity. After rejecting the Anointed One (Christ) first Century Judaism became as much a tool of the devil as emperor worship.

          Thanks for the feedback and God Bless You, Ryan.

          PS: It’s ‘Waren’ with one ‘r,’ not two. 🙂

  3. Joshua David La Russa
    Oct 8, 2015

    Would Jesus use a falsehood to teach a truth? I wouldn't think so and that is what I think of the symbolic interpretation of the parable. I see your points and they seem somewhat valid, but I am having a hard time believing that He would use a falsehood to convey a truth. As I stated above, I believe His main point was that they would not believe even if someone rose form the dead, as they never even listened to Moses and the Prophets.

    • Dirk Waren
      Oct 8, 2015

      Thanks for the feedback, Joshua.

      Would Jesus use a falsehood to teach a truth? I wouldn’t think so

      If Jesus’ tale of the rich man and Lazarus was a literal accounting of the nature of Sheol/Hades — a true accounting — then that would make the hundreds of other references to Sheol/Hades throughout the rest of the Bible false, including YHWH’s own descriptions. Before you disagree, read through the rest of Sheol Know and observe for yourself what the rest of the Bible clearly and consistently teaches on the topic. Here’s the Contents Page that provides access to all the chapters. This chapter on the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is the eighth chapter in a twelve chapter book, plus an epilogue.

      Secondly, Jesus’ tale of the rich man and Lazarus is false in the sense that the events didn’t really happen just as all symbolic stories didn’t really happen, like Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings trilogy. While you can glean many truths from Tolkien’s imaginative stories and a lot of the things that happen in them reflect real life these tales are false in the sense that they didn’t really happen, not to mention the obvious fantastical elements, which designate them as fantasy, not reality.

      What about Jesus’ other parable that takes up the first half of Luke 16 (and starts with the exact same words as the Rich Man and Lazarus), The Parable of the Shrewd Manager: The events in this story never happened. Is Jesus therefore guilty of teaching “falsehood”?

      As you go through Sheol Know you’ll discover that the nature of Sheol/Hades is a massive topic involving literally hundreds of Scriptures. Please take your time going through the material while seeking God in prayer and I’m confident you’ll come to a sound conclusion. God Bless You as You Seek & Serve.

      Your Servant,

  4. Joshua David La Russa
    Oct 8, 2015

    “2. Since the Pharisees and other Judaic leaders weren’t really listening to Moses and the Prophets—even though they put on airs that they did—they wouldn’t likely believe even if someone rose from the dead, which is not only a reference to Jesus’ later resurrection, but also to Martha & Mary’s brother, Lazarus, whom Jesus raised from the dead, as seen in John 11:1-44.”

    This is what I believe the parable was aimed at conveying: That they would not listen even if someone was to rise from the grave, meaning Christ.

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